responding to bismuth's response to why melee hd is a bad idea

Alright boys today I've been career ended by rep man himself.

so after putting my fist through the wall and listening to MC Burberry to calm down I'm gonna through some of the points Josh brought up because there's some decent ones and others I'd like to clear up

For those who don't know, I recently made a blog about some of the things that could go wrong if Melee HD was made as a switch game. My mate Bismuth has written a response so it gives me a great opportunity to make a part 2.

^Big up to Tabi for the edit again

Changes

Alright mate didn't realise we was back in GCSE English again

I won't screenshot the whole section since you can read the blog yourself first. But joshs main point here was how I said people should 'just find a way to deal with it'.

The first thing to point out here is the comparison to brawl meta knight. The flaw with this is that melee doesn't have an equivalent to brawl meta knight.

Yes it has broken stuff, but the fact that there's no definitive best character should show that comparisons to brawl meta knight isn't right.

My point here was to actually talk about the melee scene's attitude towards developing the meta. Mostly due to the fact that we haven't had patches before.

You kinda just ignored my point at the end despite me putting it in bold. That point was how melee players have grown to prefer to change the meta via their own improvement and learning rather than updates from Nintendo.

You also mention how Sakurai is a perfectionist and if he wanted to make melee on switch he'd want to fix things and make it better.

Yes he may well do that which I understand, but his idea of perfect has in the past been far from the same perfect as those who like melee consider perfect.

If I was writing this from his point of view I would've titled the blog 'Why Melee HD is a good idea' but I wasn't. I was writing it from my point of view, someone who likes competitive melee.

Online

Comparing Nintendo to an emulator isn't 'ridiculous'.

Comparing what we have to what we could have isn't 'ridiculous'.

The fact is, what we have is a good online system that works. What Nintendo have is a bad online system that doesn't work and gets endless amount of hate from all levels of ultimate players.

You said "I'm sorry, but I don't think the fact that there is an emulation of Nintendo's game means they shouldn't make a new one."

Which was never my point at all.

My point in this section was entirely about the differences between the 2 online systems both have and why the one we already have is better.

Modding

Again, my point gets taken out of context and changed to mean something else.

My point was not that because people mod melee there should be Melee HD. No.

The entire point of this section gets completely ignored in Bismuth's blog.

I talk about the things which enhance the tournament experience which would be lost in a hypothetical Melee HD tournament experience.

Whilst you talk in hypothetical situations in your point. In my blog I mentioned how Nintendo have done in the past for real. I even linked a video showing how they can get it wrong.

Nintendo are clearly so out of touch with the scene.

Having actual T.O.s who specialise and have a career in running tournaments and also people who have been apart of the melee community for years are bound to do a good job of running tournaments.

When Nintendo have run the smash invitationals in the past players came away with many complaints.

Yes, Nintendo have money, they would be able to pay more prize money which is great.

But going back to my point on how community T.O.s will be better. They're literally people who dedicate themselves to running tournaments. Tournaments have been perfected over years and there's rarely problems with organisation since they're professionals.

Casuals

There's not too much to talk about here. No I'm not an ultimate player therefor I was going off of what I hear from people who do play Ultimiate.

Going back to the buffs and nerfs section again is a bit random and I'm not really sure what the point here was, just kinda seems filler to me.

Josh opens this part saying how it wouldn't work for me personally since I'm a competitive player.

Yes Josh. That's the point. The number 1 reason Melee HD would be made over any other HD remake would be because of the competitive scene. Therefor, as a competitive melee player, these are my personal opinions.

Once again you jump back to patches. We get it mate you like patches.

Patches can be great, but something great about melee is that the meta has been evolving since the early 2000s.

Melee players have grown to the situation the game is in and personally I think it's great how changes in the meta are due to the players instead of Nintendo.

The view that the best character should be nerfed and the worst buffed is a very smash 4 / ultimate view. And there's nothing wrong with that at all. But part of what draws people to melee is that things like what aMSa and Axe have done.

aMSa and Axe both took characters from unviable to viable due to the players improving and learning about the game.

I don't claim for melee to have balance at all. But my point about how Nintendo patching the game was more so about how we wouldn't want changes to what we already like.

If bowser got a buff that'd be nice, but more importantly, let's say for example that before aMSa got good. Yoshi got buffed.

Now instead of a hype storyline about how a Japanese player took a low tier into high tier by learning, discovering and developing new tech. Would then be changed into a story of how a Japanese player who used to play a low tier got his character buffed.

As someone who played smash 4 competitively throughout almost the whole lifespan of the game. I can tell you that's not exciting.

I am kinda rambling at this point so I'll end it by saying how games having low tiers is a good thing. Some people like playing low tiers if that's to develop them or for the challenge or just to mess with people.

You end with a personal experience which is a great idea. But the problem here is how I literally have a similar point in my own blog and say it's a good thing.

More players = good. Yes.

Bismuth's bonus points

Potentially hurt? It would definitely hurt.

Splitting the community is what nearly killed the entire competitive scene back in the melee vs brawl days. Adding to that would hurt both sides of the community.

You brought up casuals again, and I agree that for casuals they would just rather play Ultimiate, the things at appeal about melee appeal to competitive players not casuals.

I'll leave out the final 2 sections since they're not especially reasons for or against Melee HD, but rather why people like what already is, and why Melee HD hasn't already become a thing.

Big up for the NF reference tho

Thanks for reading once again, feel free to tell me why I'm dumb in the comments.

Since this blog is a response to bismuth there's only one fitting ending

Bi.